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Permalink Reply by Glenn Spinner on July 28, 2008 at 10:18am

Go back and listen to Nelly Furtado's first big single "I'm Like A Bird", the word is in the chorus doesn't have any s's on it but more an inferred thing. Don't know how or why they did this but check it out and tell me what you think. I don't think it was a de-esser but more of a s-eliminator.

Permalink Reply by Glenn Spinner on July 28, 2008 at 10:14am

Pete,
Sometimes you may need to change the mic if you're getting too many SSSSSS's. I heard of a really neat trick that you can try. Have the vocalist say the word popsicle. I know it sounds crazy but it should give you an idea of how p's and s's will sound when they hit the mic. I always forget about this when picking a mic and doing shootouts because ultimately it is the sound of the mic that I go for and deal with any of the other problems later. I also hear some guys will draw the s's out of the waveform by hand. Time consuming I know but we've got the technology to do it. The de-esser is a good one as well and with automation in many DAW's, you can always adjust it accordingly as the song goes by. Once again, a little time consuming but also a very good tool.

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Permalink Reply by Glenn Spinner on July 28, 2008 at 10:30am

Pete, when you reopen your session, the plug-ins should still be there. The other thing you can do to have a starting point on future sessions is save the plug-in settings for each person you work with so if you work with them in the future, you already have a good starting point. It also gives you a good starting point if you have a male or female in the same range as the other person so you can start from there as well.

By the way, never heard of that song. I just hope the person who's singing doesn't have a lisp because that creates a whole another set of problems.

Permalink Reply by John Gholston on July 28, 2008 at 11:27am

Pete,

I should have clarified my earlier point better. I apologize for the confusion. The full version Massey plugins will remember your settings when you reopen your sessions. Unless he has changed anything with the demos recently, it was just the demo versions that did not remember your settings once you have closed the session. When you open your session and have been using the demo version the plugin will still be there, but it will have returned back to the default start setting. Another limited feature of the demo versions is that you cannot bypass the plugin. If you have it on the track it is always on. If you purchase the full version of the plugin it will behave like any other plug and save your settings so when you come back to your session you can pickup where you left off, and you will be able to utilize the bypass feature like you can on your other plugins. He briefly explains all of the features on the plugin page. http://masseyplugins.com/?page=deesser .So, if you have the full version, once you find a setting you like it will be there for you when you re open. I would definitely suggest downloading the demo first to try the plug for free and make sure you like it before you buy. Like I said, I have not had a chance to use it yet, but I have heard good things from others about it, and I plan on trying it myself asap. Could be worth a shot for you.

Permalink Reply by Bob Olhsson on July 28, 2008 at 9:19am

An unmodified U-67 in good shape with a touch of eq. is pretty hard to beat!

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Permalink Reply by Brian Oaks on August 2, 2008 at 7:07am

Hey all. Many thanks. I was out of town playing and had a good read!

THX

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Permalink Reply by Dan tracey on August 4, 2008 at 8:20am

AKG 414. Up close with an LA2A comp. Great for soft girl vox. If you rent from Blackbird, see if they have an "EB" version. This mic has the C12 element.

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Permalink Reply by Bret Teegarden on August 4, 2008 at 8:27am

Actually, Dan, I think it's the TL II version that is closest in every way to the C-12. I did a session once where I had to match precisely a vocal that was recorded with a C-12/Neve 1073/Distressor chain. I did it with a AKG 414 TL II / DBX 376 Channel Strip Tube Pre / Digi Smack! Compressor. The difference was unintelligible. $10,000 chain vs. $2000 chain.

Of course it took a little engineering finesse, but that's what I do :)

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Permalink Reply by Dan tracey on August 4, 2008 at 9:45am

Yea... how you get there doesn't matter. It's getting there that counts. I own a TL II. The only difference is that it's transfomerless (warmer- if that's possible on a 414) Many C414 EBs still used the same capsule (at least, a good-sounding version of it) as the ELA M250 series- "the original CK12". I believe the TLII is just a variation on the standard C12A. Regardless... they both sound great on female singers with soft voices. Just my humble opinion... It's all subjective.

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Permalink Reply by Bret Teegarden on August 4, 2008 at 9:47am

want to sell me your TL II ? :)

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Permalink Reply by Dan tracey on August 4, 2008 at 10:02am

And your offer is??? LOL

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Permalink Reply by UndaGround Armada on September 11, 2008 at 10:35pm

Does anyone own the AKG Perception 200, if so what are your views, I currently own the AKG C4000B, but I wanted to try a different mic, please share your views, has anyone had experience with the AKG C4000B?

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