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I have two reasons for writing this. 1. I have my own kids who want to learn instruments and develop their talents. 2. I'm looking at helping develop the talent of a 10 year old kid who shows a lot of promise.

I'm curious about people's thoughts who've had experience with either issue.

First, with my own kids, my 4 year old (nearly 5) daughter wants to learn violin and piano. We have a piano, and I just bought her a small scale violin that fits her. We're ready to roll. Any suggestions on teachers on the Franklin area? Also, how young is too young on Piano? She likes to sit and play, but won't let me teach her. She'll let a "teacher" teach her, though. I was the same way with my mom when she tried to teach me.

Second... So I found this kid who's 10, nearly 11. She has a super unique voice, and has tremendous potential. But as it stands now, she's just another 10 year old who can stand up and sing in church. But her tone is so unique. She's a cute kid, not tons of personality, but enough to get by (in other words, probably not a disney kid potential). My goal is for her to work through voice and piano lessons. She could be studio ready for kids music within a very short period of time. I'd like to get her that experience. I'm not looking to sign her up for an album or two just yet. I just want to help develop her talent, and see where it goes from there. But if I'm right, I think she'll have her first album out within five years.

So here's what we're doing: 1. voice lessons. 2. Piano lessons.

Simple enough, right?

I doubt it. What experiences have you all had?

Cheers,

Pete

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I think the key to creating a good piano student at any age is developing a love towards playing and practicing. I started with formal lessons at 7 and dreaded most of it. After 11 years of weekly lessons from many teachers, I finally found that love of practice from other musicians, not piano teachers.

So look for a teacher that keeps it fun, especially at an early age. There's always time later for serious study, but if they aren't enjoying it then what's the point? I've seen many kids that are excited about music early, but keeping that enthusiasm up for years can be difficult.
Pete, Brentwood Baptist is offering music lessons for kids. Don't know all the details but it may be worth checking into.
Thank you. I'll call them.
Pete,

My wife was a piano teacher for the first 10 years or so of our marriage. When it came time to teach our kids, she didn't get much past Book 1when it was very evident that another teacher would be more efficient and respected by the kids. As far as "pushing" - we always wanted them to be responsible and serious about it, we were spending money after all, but we always felt it more important to provide opportunities rather than mold in a certain way. Our oldest (daughter) is now a Kindergarten teacher but still sings in her church choir and plays piano for enjoyment. She actually took piano the longest and can sight read piano music. The next two boys took some piano but were more into dad's keyboards, drums, bass and guitars. Other than showing them a few basics, I let them teach themselves these instruments. They both are pursing professional music based careers now because of the love they developed for music and playing. I never forced them to practice. We were also fortunate to be involved in a church that had two 100 voice youth choirs and youth praise bands where they utilized their gifts all through Jr. High and High School. It was all about providing opportunities to learn and to perform with performing being the key. Nothing is a better teacher than getting up in front of 1500 people and singing in a choir or solo or playing an instrument. The public and private schools around Nashville also have a strong commitment to music and arts which may not be the same in other parts of the country, so yet again, opportunity to perform. Our fourth child has not been shown anything or taken any lessons but has picked up piano and guitar on his own (probably from watching his brothers) and plays regularly for his youth group (every Sunday morning). Our baby (13) is a dancer (what her mother really wanted to be) but she is bugging us to get her a guitar, so, of course we will.

Not so much advice here but just a little history and story how the Teegarden family went about music for the kids. My parents did much the same for me, but I can only imagine if my father (or mother) were a music producer with a studio. Man oh man!
Good stuff, Bret. I'm wanting to support her natural interests. She constantly goes into the studio and plinks on the piano and sings. I hate to admit it's mostly Hannah montanna songs, though. So I asked if he wants to learn piano. She said yes. I asked I'd she wanted me to teach her, she replies, "no, I want someone else to reach me.". Smart kid.

She also expressed wanting to learn violin. I'd noticed her really keying into violin parts when I work on them. She came as told me she wanted to learn violin. So I bought her one. A 1/4 scale. She plays it everyday. She let's me teach her one little thing at a time. I can't push it. I don't require her to practice. Just letting her do it at her own pace.

As mentioned above, I want her to love doing it. As I did. Performing is key too I think.

Of course, I love that she wants to do what daddy does, but I am letting er figure out her own course.

She's even started asking what pieces of gear do. That's a trip. Try explaining signal flow to a 4 year old girl! (or a belmont grad)
probably easier to explain to a 4 year old than a Belmont grad :)
Huh?
I am going to take a shot at this discussion. I have a music ed degree so, why not?

I have grown up in Bluegrass and stepped into Convention Gospel/Gospel later on have seen a great deal of instrumentalists that have been playing since they were kids. I can say that a good percent of them are musicians today because of the availability of instrument(s) and someone willing to show them. Here are some factors that I think are important:

1. Instrument - duh

2. Tuned - I can tell the difference between those "raised" on tuned and "left in the weather" instruments, especially pianos

3.Quality - I think it is more inspiring to play something that sounds and feels good. Strings - it's already going to hurt enough when they start off, why make it harder? It's not necessary to buy a Martin D28 etc, but their student/lower-end models are affordable and work/sound great.

4. A great mentor - I say mentor not just a teacher. I think becoming friends and liking each other is most important.Probably the most important. You need someone who is going to show the ropes of every aspect of the instrument and willing to spend hours showing perhaps one lick - over and over and over. And like you said earlier keeping it fun and enjoyable. There are going to be those moments of boredom and frustration, but the mentor should be able to alleviate some of that or introduce a "fix"
Good stuff. Thanks for the serious reply. I agree especially on instrument quality. I hate playing on a nasty piano. I was fortunate enough to grow up havig a really nice and frequently maintained piano. Thanks Mom. I keep mine tuned constantly, as it's used for recording quite often. And it plays well. Sounds great. Etc. Same with the violin. I bought Hwr a quality student violin that plays well.

Thanks again for the quality thoughts!
Pete,

How are you? I am Marc-Alan Barnette and I have a business consulting, teaching and working with artists and writers that come to Nashville. I have had a good deal of experience with people of all ages, and in particular quite a few kids from ages 12 to 17 with stage mothers and fathers to boot. Here is basically what I have seen.

Most kids are very into something where they can stand up and show off. Doing karaoke nights, church groups, school activities, contests, things their friends, parents, relatives, etc. can see them do, is great. But when you get into the real work of anything involved in music, you find their interest wanes pretty quickly. 85% of a music career is done "off the playing field" away from the public eye. It is that dreaded practicing, writing, lessons, waiting in long lines for some audition, getting turned down after a few notes by some judge, taking pictures in a small uncomfortable studio, recording take after take after take in a recording studio, and all kinds of things that mean drudgery. Just like any kids their age, they have the attention span of a tetse fly.

Then there are other physical considerations. They don't develop good hand dexterity until later in life making it difficult to be profficient on a musical instrument. Their voices tend to change until around age 22-23 and so the types of songs that are recorded might change. And their dedication tends to go to other things, friends, school, social groups, etc. From an industry standpoint, it is very difficult to put a substancial amount of money into a project only to have it change physically radically from the time they start the journey until they are actually put into the public. And their personalities change.

Nashville experienced this quite a bit a few years back with a 12 year old named Billy Gillman. He had a big number one song called "One Voice" which looked like the beginning of a promising career. Until he took on all the personality traits of a bad "McCauley Culkien", being a diva, demanding, and spoiled. AT 13 years old, he walked around town, dressed in Black leather pants, sunglasses, with couple of body guards in tow, telling experienced Nashville hit songwriters that "They should keep working hard and one day maybe some things will happen for them." It was downright embarrising and of course behind it all were a couple of stage parents expecting a retirement account out of it. When his voice changed, one of the biggest parties in nashville ensued leading to a joke:

"Knock, knock."
"Who's There?"
"Billy Gilman"
"Billy Gilman Who?"
"Tough business, ain't it?"


The point is that they are very undependable and it is best to guard how much you are involved. Be there to support, work with them, but don't place too much in one basket. And some times you get someone who really could have a shot.

A recent experience I had was with a 17 year old girl, her sister and parents. I was approached by them to assist her in her career goals. After three weeks of once a week, I had written four songs with her, introduced her to a dozen hit writers, had appointments with two number one writers, was ready to take her in the studio and had worked an overall game plan with 3 months, six months, nine months options to a year to actually move her into some very interesting opportunities.

They felt overwhelmed, unsure and pulled the plug fearing she wasn't ready, no matter how many times I tried to tell them all that nothing would happen from an industry perspective for at least a couple of years. This was just about laying groundwork. But I was very careful to not get into any contracts nor, spend too much of my time putting my eggs in one basket. These kind of things happen all the time.
This was coming on the heels of my working with a 25 year old who went from a rock bar guitar player in Michigan to signed writer to a major publishing company, to a major recording artists in a little over a year.He had the maturity, ability and common sense to listen and take advantage of breaks that came his way without too high expectations or unfulfiled
goals and dreams.

So I wish you luck. It is an iffy proposal no matter how you slice it and should be approached very methodiaclly and very long term.

Good luck and keep at it,

MAB
Great stuff. Very solid details. Thank you. With the nearly 11 year old, I recommended piano, acting and voice (which they were already doing). I figure if the girl can spends couple of years enjoying the hard work of developing her skill, shed be on the road to understanding the challenges of makig it happen.

Where my own kids are concerned, I could care less what they do with their life. I'm just wanting to supper and nurture their own desires to develop their talents, if indeed they actually have any.

The stage mom and dad are poison. Sad story you told. Especially bad when mom and dad idolize their kids and begin to revolve ther world around them. It's a setup that clearly leads to the circumstances you described. Ala Brittany.
All parents want the best for their kids. But kids are rarely mature enough to make decisions like that. The world is replete with the Britanny/Micheal Jackson stories in music, television, movies, etc. much more than the good stories.

The music business is quite insane and always has been. You have to be very careful to expose them to that. I personally would not expose my children to it.

An exception would be Taylor Swift, who has been so focused of purpose from the beginning. But that is a BIG exception.

The best thing to do is let them be kids.

MAB

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