Oh Yes...... WAVES got a new one........ :-(

Oh yes, my friends, give me the weekend..... There WILL be a blog........... Feel free to start without me......

I guess the pictures didn't post..... Waves new "Vocal Rider"

"Vocal Rider is the first of Waves pioneering new series of Mix tools. Simply put, Vocal Rider rides the levels of vocal tracks, automatically.

Instead of manually riding the physical mixing console fader, or tediously drawing in each individual level change on a DAW track, Vocal Rider does it for you, making it a true timesaver.

All you need to do is set the target range of the vocal level in relation to the rest of the mix. Then, Vocal Rider compensates for all deviations from the target, intelligently raising or lowering the vocal volume, instantly. And unlike everyday compression, Vocal Rider adds absolutely no additional coloring to the track."

So much for the art of mixing.......... Like I said, give me the weekend.........

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Permalink Reply by Bart Leggiero on December 12, 2009 at 10:41pm: "That seems to be the Audio Schools angle these days....."
Mark I must disagree with this statement. Audio schools for the most part are not about finding an easier way or even about displacing earlier tried and true methods. Rather they focus on understanding proven methods and exposure to new technologies as tools of the trade. Let us never forget that at one point UA and Teletronix and ADAT and multitrack recording, just to name a few, were all new technologies once and had to be embraced and understood before they could be fully realized.
Now I'm no bigger fan of "an easier way" by no means. I do however try to see things through to understand what possible potential or use they may have.
Concerning Waves, IMO their WUP plan is sheer exploitation, and with that being said I shy away from any further Waves purchases. Yes R&D can be expensive....but that's why a Mercury native bundle costs $5600.00! One gets a new car and ice cream for life for the kids with the TDM version!; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Mark Capps on December 14, 2009 at 11:58pm: OK, This is for a different post, I detest any replies that stray from the topic, but seeing that you've just started at SAE, talk to me at the end of your nine months and tell me you really feel the same....

On the other hand, you show me any number of engineers that would go back to ADATs instead of Pro Tools.... Me, I'll take Analog Tape and a singer that can actually sing, any day.....; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Bart Leggiero on December 15, 2009 at 9:39pm: I would agree with this second paragraph concerning Pro Tools, it serves as evidence that many new technologies have enhanced our productivity and helped us all to acheive certain ends in a more efficient manner."Better" would be subjective.
Reading your profile Mark, I can only respect you and aspire one day to accomplish a fraction of what you have done. I will never argue with your level of experience rather look up to it and model that which is successful. But I will disagree, and it's all about learning.
Regarding the SAE, I enjoy it there. Much of it has been review for me up to this point, but I do sense that there is a balance between the older methods and tools and the incorporation of newer technologies. I will admit the SSL's and Neve's are new tools for me, whereas the Pro Tools, Cubase (my preferred software) and other newer technologies are not. The Vocal Rider is a new technology, as opposed to older tried and true methods. That is why my comment here stays within subject. I hope that at the end of my term here I can remain as positive and loyal as I feel now, but I'll let you know. In the meantime, Have a great Christmas and New Years!; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Billy Sherrill on February 1, 2010 at 9:19am: Wow, another plug-in to make mixes even more sterile than they already are.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Bob Olhsson on February 1, 2010 at 9:50am: We spent a year at Motown developing an automated mix system around 1967. When it was done and installed, Berry Gordy did a blind comparison.

Needless to say, at least for us older folks, the feel of the spliced up mixes walked all over the over-thunk automated mixes so the system was removed and that was the end of it. It was not uncommon to do 20 recalls of an important single however the way we did them was by comparing to an acetate of the previous best mix. In the process lots of happy accidents became part of the records.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Mark Capps on December 5, 2009 at 8:34pm: Brett, Thanks for posting the pics for me..........; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Bret Teegarden on December 5, 2009 at 8:36pm: You are very welcome, although I hate advertising for them :); ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Chris Knight on December 27, 2009 at 11:45pm: shouldn't it say "You'll never have to mix again"?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Rob Facelli on December 6, 2009 at 1:31am: I can honestly say I've never bought any Waves plugs, their business practices are detestable.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Mark Capps on December 6, 2009 at 11:23am: OK Guys.... I don't want to turn this into a WAVEs bashing post, not my intent. It's just getting to the point that we are letting the numbers getting crunched in a computer is mixing the music for us. To me, old school and all, there is nothing like the feel of riding that vocal through an analog console with a fader, not a mouse drawing lines in. The actual feel of pushing something up or pulling it back and the way that it affects the summing busses..... The way it hits the two-mix compressor..... The organic feel of a mix....; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Bret Teegarden on December 6, 2009 at 7:51pm: Waves makes some great and useful plug-ins, some of which I use, but just because you CAN automate a task doesn't mean you SHOULD. There is no steadfast rule that says results are better through robotic automation. On one of the most commercially successful records I ever mixed, the computer based automation went out on the console, so I had to set up a mix, mark the moves on console tape next to the faders and the artist, producer and I would run all the moves for each mix. Not only was it a lot of fun, but the mixes were truly the result of all our artistic effort. And to top it off, it didn't really take all that long, at least we weren't constantly going back and "tweaking" things.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Pete Warren - Wave Alias Music on December 11, 2009 at 2:36pm: Funny.... My first few years of engineering was sans-automation. We'd run a half dozen passes and then pick the best one. OF course, they all sucked anyway. But hey, it was a bunch of 18 year olds learning on extremely out of date studio equipment. The kind we all want these days.

Oh, on another note, I'VE NEVER drawn in automation with a mouse. Is that not artless also? I'm with Mark, even though I'm riding a fader on my controller. I just like feeling it. I'd love to have the analog console too, but alas, my wife would kill me if I came home with one.; ▶ Reply to This