Oh Yes...... WAVES got a new one........ :-(
Oh yes, my friends, give me the weekend..... There WILL be a blog........... Feel free to start without me......
I guess the pictures didn't post..... Waves new "Vocal Rider"
"Vocal Rider is the first of Waves pioneering new series of Mix tools. Simply put, Vocal Rider rides the levels of vocal tracks, automatically.
Instead of manually riding the physical mixing console fader, or tediously drawing in each individual level change on a DAW track, Vocal Rider does it for you, making it a true timesaver.
All you need to do is set the target range of the vocal level in relation to the rest of the mix. Then, Vocal Rider compensates for all deviations from the target, intelligently raising or lowering the vocal volume, instantly. And unlike everyday compression, Vocal Rider adds absolutely no additional coloring to the track."
So much for the art of mixing.......... Like I said, give me the weekend.........
I guess the pictures didn't post..... Waves new "Vocal Rider"
"Vocal Rider is the first of Waves pioneering new series of Mix tools. Simply put, Vocal Rider rides the levels of vocal tracks, automatically.
Instead of manually riding the physical mixing console fader, or tediously drawing in each individual level change on a DAW track, Vocal Rider does it for you, making it a true timesaver.
All you need to do is set the target range of the vocal level in relation to the rest of the mix. Then, Vocal Rider compensates for all deviations from the target, intelligently raising or lowering the vocal volume, instantly. And unlike everyday compression, Vocal Rider adds absolutely no additional coloring to the track."
So much for the art of mixing.......... Like I said, give me the weekend.........
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Permalink Reply by Bart Leggiero on -
"That seems to be the Audio Schools angle these days....."
Mark I must disagree with this statement. Audio schools for the most part are not about finding an easier way or even about displacing earlier tried and true methods. Rather they focus on understanding proven methods and exposure to new technologies as tools of the trade. Let us never forget that at one point UA and Teletronix and ADAT and multitrack recording, just to name a few, were all new technologies once and had to be embraced and understood before they could be fully realized.
Now I'm no bigger fan of "an easier way" by no means. I do however try to see things through to understand what possible potential or use they may have.
Concerning Waves, IMO their WUP plan is sheer exploitation, and with that being said I shy away from any further Waves purchases. Yes R&D can be expensive....but that's why a Mercury native bundle costs $5600.00! One gets a new car and ice cream for life for the kids with the TDM version!
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Permalink Reply by Mark Capps on -
OK, This is for a different post, I detest any replies that stray from the topic, but seeing that you've just started at SAE, talk to me at the end of your nine months and tell me you really feel the same....
On the other hand, you show me any number of engineers that would go back to ADATs instead of Pro Tools.... Me, I'll take Analog Tape and a singer that can actually sing, any day.....
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Permalink Reply by Bart Leggiero on
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I would agree with this second paragraph concerning Pro Tools, it serves as evidence that many new technologies have enhanced our productivity and helped us all to acheive certain ends in a more efficient manner."Better" would be subjective.
Reading your profile Mark, I can only respect you and aspire one day to accomplish a fraction of what you have done. I will never argue with your level of experience rather look up to it and model that which is successful. But I will disagree, and it's all about learning.
Regarding the SAE, I enjoy it there. Much of it has been review for me up to this point, but I do sense that there is a balance between the older methods and tools and the incorporation of newer technologies. I will admit the SSL's and Neve's are new tools for me, whereas the Pro Tools, Cubase (my preferred software) and other newer technologies are not. The Vocal Rider is a new technology, as opposed to older tried and true methods. That is why my comment here stays within subject. I hope that at the end of my term here I can remain as positive and loyal as I feel now, but I'll let you know. In the meantime, Have a great Christmas and New Years!
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Permalink Reply by Bart Leggiero on
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Mark, as I near the end of my tenure here at the SAE, I wanna say Thanks! Thanks to all those that I have had the pleasure of getting to meet and chat with including yourself, Alan Bradley and Michael Black..great people! Nashville is a wealth of knowledge and experience and friendly folks, however a bit too saturated for my own personal desires. I thank the Good Lord for my Family and that I have all gear to continue pursuing my dreams and goals. Having been playing for over thirty years, semi-pro for seventeen years and a project studio owner for seven years, I was fortunate enough to come in with a bit of experience, however the knowledge and experience of some of you folks has always given me inspiration to wanna become more.
The SAE has been a dream for me. Yes I will admit some of the newer technologies were a bit foreign to my own tastes but there were reasons for their implementation into the program. With the NEVE's and the SSL I feel more at home, even if I never stand in front of one again. The staff there has been exceptionally helpful and very knowledgeable in their own right.
For the sake of maintaining this thread,,,the Waves Vocal Rider? Let's just say I prefer UAD plugs. I'll leave it there for someone else to shape their own opinions concerning the VR.
Mark, it's been a pleasure, you take care of yourself and I wish you the very best in the future. Sincerely,
Bart
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Permalink Reply by Billy Sherrill on -
Wow, another plug-in to make mixes even more sterile than they already are.
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Permalink Reply by Bob Olhsson on -
We spent a year at Motown developing an automated mix system around 1967. When it was done and installed, Berry Gordy did a blind comparison.
Needless to say, at least for us older folks, the feel of the spliced up mixes walked all over the over-thunk automated mixes so the system was removed and that was the end of it. It was not uncommon to do 20 recalls of an important single however the way we did them was by comparing to an acetate of the previous best mix. In the process lots of happy accidents became part of the records.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Capps on
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Brett, Thanks for posting the pics for me..........
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Permalink Reply by Bret Teegarden on -
You are very welcome, although I hate advertising for them :)
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Permalink Reply by Chris Knight on -
shouldn't it say "You'll never have to mix again"?
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Permalink Reply by Rob Facelli on -
I can honestly say I've never bought any Waves plugs, their business practices are detestable.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Capps on
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OK Guys.... I don't want to turn this into a WAVEs bashing post, not my intent. It's just getting to the point that we are letting the numbers getting crunched in a computer is mixing the music for us. To me, old school and all, there is nothing like the feel of riding that vocal through an analog console with a fader, not a mouse drawing lines in. The actual feel of pushing something up or pulling it back and the way that it affects the summing busses..... The way it hits the two-mix compressor..... The organic feel of a mix....
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Permalink Reply by Bret Teegarden on
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Waves makes some great and useful plug-ins, some of which I use, but just because you CAN automate a task doesn't mean you SHOULD. There is no steadfast rule that says results are better through robotic automation. On one of the most commercially successful records I ever mixed, the computer based automation went out on the console, so I had to set up a mix, mark the moves on console tape next to the faders and the artist, producer and I would run all the moves for each mix. Not only was it a lot of fun, but the mixes were truly the result of all our artistic effort. And to top it off, it didn't really take all that long, at least we weren't constantly going back and "tweaking" things.
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